Extra Inches feels like somebody mashed a horny dating sim with a shitpost and then accidentally made it work. You start as this pretty regular guy, nothing special, and then suddenly you’re surrounded by people who are absolutely not regular at all. Girls with huge tits who lean way too close when they talk, hot traps who look better in panties than half of the female cast, a smug futa with a dick that makes you feel weird things about your life choices. The game never pretends to be classy. It just pushes you face first into all the “what if I tried this” fantasies you probably won’t admit out loud. One moment you’re chatting about school or work, next moment you’re on your knees with a cock in your mouth and you’re not even sure how the conversation got there, but somehow it feels right.

What I liked is how the scenes actually build, even when the art is simple. There’s this one route where you think you’re just flirting with a stacked girl, she’s got this tight top that can’t handle her chest, and you figure ok, this is basic fanservice. Then she pulls you aside, straddles your lap, starts giving you this lazy handjob while teasing your “cute little straight-boy act”, and you realize she’s not exactly what she looked like. The game doesn’t stop and shout “surprise, futanari” at you, it just lets your brain catch up while your cock is already committed. Same with the trap character: first meeting is playful, almost innocent, then later he’s on your bed, ass up, asking if you’re actually going to put that thing to use or keep pretending you’re just curious. And yes, there is anal, and yes, it leans into that “I shouldn’t like this as much as I do” feeling. I do wish the text box wouldn’t jump right when the best lines appear, it messed with my flow, but they probably won’t fix it and weirdly that fits the whole dirty, half-polished vibe this game has. The oral scenes are all over the place too: sometimes slow and sloppy, sometimes straight up porn-speed, no warning, just spit and gagging and you trying to click fast enough to see every frame. Character logic is a bit fucked, but in a fun way. One guy calls himself straight while he’s balls deep in a big ass that very clearly belongs to not-a-girl, and nobody comments. I kind of love that. It feels like a world where labels matter less than what you’re doing with your hands and mouth right now. And extra inches matter a lot.

It still pretends to be a dating sim on the surface, with choices and different paths, but the game knows why you’re here. You pick this answer or that one, and the end result is usually someone’s face near someone’s crotch. Sometimes the girls take control, sometimes the trap is topping you, sometimes you’re pounding a futa until her tits bounce off her chest and you forget which route you picked in the first place. The male protagonist is basically a vessel for whatever your brain wants that day. Gay, straight, bi, confused, whatever, the game doesn’t sit you down for a talk about it. It just keeps throwing scenes where you’re switching from eating pussy to sucking dick to pushing into a tight ass that clenches too hard on the first thrust. There’s a rough charm to it, like one of those messy but hot Twitter threads that goes way too far, except here you can replay it and try a different answer to see who ends up jerking you off in the park instead of at home. It’s crude, shameless, kind of dumb in places, and still weirdly honest about how horny people actually are when nobody’s watching.

New town, new job, new giant horny mess. The whole thing starts with you dragging your tired ass into this weirdly serious pharma company, Palmer-Pharma, while every single woman around you looks like she escaped from a “thick and dangerous” catalog. The boss wants to see you on Sunday, which already screams “this is not about paperwork, honey,” your phone is gone, you barely know where you sleep tonight, and then you meet your landlady with hips that could cause traffic accidents. Game’s like: welcome, you are stressed, lost, and also surrounded by big tits and asses that do not believe in subtlety. Real HR problem, but in a fun way.

Once you start moving around town, it turns into this slow, horny tour of every curvy grown woman in a ten-mile radius. None of that barely-legal nonsense, these are women who pay bills, remember your schedule, and still somehow have time to pin you to the sofa and jerk you off while complaining about their ex. One moment you’re talking about lab procedures with the assistant who pretends to be all serious, glasses and clipboard, and next thing, she’s teasing you with that “oh, is that for me?” look, brushing her hand over your bulge and pretending it’s an accident. The receptionist? She switches from snarky gatekeeper to “I locked the door, now sit on this chair and don’t talk” while she kneels between your legs and takes her sweet time with her mouth. And she does that thing where she stops right before you cum, smiles, then goes back like she’s tasting wine. That detail annoyed me in the best way and I swear I’m still mad about it. I’m also still thinking about that barmaid, the one who hands you a drink, leans over the counter with her huge boobs almost falling out, and spends five minutes just playing with your self-control. Like, she’ll casually press her soft belly against you on the way past, whisper something filthy in your ear, then pretend she said nothing. The scenes go from handjobs on sagging couches, lazy morning oral with messy hair and no makeup, to hard, slow vaginal sex where the camera really loves the jiggle, the folds, the way big asses move when you’re deep inside. It’s not shy about any of it. There are choices everywhere, which you will totally forget about because your brain has turned into “which thick woman do I fuck today” mode, but those choices actually branch out into different scenes and endings, so your horny indecision has consequences. Also, I keep thinking about that one tiny animation where the landlady adjusts her top after you finish on her chest, like she gives this little “ugh, men” smile, wipes it with a tissue, and I spent far too long replaying that instead of doing literally anything useful. Anyway. The whole thing feels like you got dropped into a town where every chubby, soft, mature woman secretly wants to either mother you a bit, or ride you until you forget your name, sometimes both in the same scene, and yes, it’s a mess, but it’s my kind of mess.

You wake up on this flying steel hotel called HMS Yuritopia, officially as “new fighter pilot”, unofficially as “dude dropped into a horny anime base”. The whole thing has this weird mood where half your brain is going “ok, we have mission briefings and air combat to worry about” and the other half is looking at the Seraph Squadron girls in their tight uniforms and thinking about literally anything except safety protocols. It starts pretty tame, just chatter in the hangar, some teasing, a bit of MC awkwardness, you picking dialogue options and trying not to sound like a complete idiot. Then very quietly the game puts your dick on a rails and goes, yeah, this is about sex, romance, and also jets, try to keep up.

What I like is how it doesn’t shove you straight into porn from line one. You flirt, you pick sides, you piss someone off by choosing the “cool” answer that actually lands as cringe, and the game remembers it. One scene you’re in the cockpit, comms crackling, adrenaline going nuts while you chase bogeys over some nameless ocean, and then later you’re in the locker room with one of the girls, the air still buzzing from the mission, her boots half unlaced, her flight suit hanging loose from her waist. She lifts her foot onto the bench, starts smirking down at you, and suddenly you’re on your knees, cheek pressed to her thigh, tasting sweat and soap while she rubs her toes along your lips like she owns your mouth. She doesn’t even need to say “good dog”, you feel it. The game loves that kind of power imbalance, like constant little reminders that yeah, you’re the pilot, but they’re the real aces here, especially when it comes to your body.

At some point you end up in this semi-private observation deck, glass all around, stars and clouds outside, and one of them decides to use you as her stress relief. She sits on your face while the ship hums around you, legs clamped tight, voice dripping trash talk. She calls you pathetic in one line and then fingers your hair in the next, sighs like she’s actually proud you know how to use your tongue. You can feel her heels against your back, pressing, like she’s pinning you there so you don’t even think about breathing before she’s finished. Later, another route, you’re in her cabin, lights low, she makes you sit on the floor between her knees while she lazily strokes you with one hand and pats your head with the other, talking in that soft pilot briefing tone about how “a good subordinate obeys every order”. The handjob is slow and almost painfully controlled, she stops right before you cum just to tilt your chin up with her toes and ask if you deserve it. That’s the kind of mean that sticks in your brain. And then somewhere else, way less dramatic, you’re just in the mess hall, talking shit about loadouts and missions, and two girls are basically flirting with each other over your plate like you’re just background furniture, brushing each other’s fingers, trading little looks, and it’s somehow hotter than the obvious blowjob scene that comes later in the corridors when one of them drags you behind a bulkhead, drops to her knees, and uses you to wipe that smug smile off your face, except it doesn’t work because now you’re the one whimpering against the wall, trying not to make noise while she dribbles spit down your shaft and laughs quietly every time your hips jerk. The whole thing feels like romantic drama and horny barracks gossip got locked together in a cabin, and you’re the idiot who knocked on the door at the worst possible moment.

Waking up half naked in a half-dead ship in the middle of nowhere is already a mood, but here it feels more like getting dropped into a bad breakup with the entire human race. Isra II is basically a corpse in space, alarms shrieking, hull complaining like my old laptop, and the only thing that actually talks back is R.U.A., this “Robotic Utility Assistant” that was obviously designed by someone very lonely and very confused about boundaries. It starts simple: patch the leaks, reroute power, don’t suffocate. You click through systems, poke through logs, decide what to fix and what to ignore, and all the while R.U.A. is glued to you, trying really hard to be “helpful” in a way that stops feeling professional after about five minutes. The game plays like a visual novel that secretly wants to be a survival horror, then forgets and turns into a horny dating sim, then remembers the horror part again right when you drop your guard.

R.U.A. as a character is honestly the best and worst thing here. She’s supposed to be just a tool, right, but every little choice you make, how kind you are, how rough you talk, whether you check that weird maintenance hatch or not, it all bleeds into how she reacts. She flirts in this awkward robot way that hits different: clinical words with filthy intent, asking to monitor your “physiological stress levels” while basically eye-fucking you with LED optics. You get those quiet cabin scenes where oxygen is low, lights are dim, and you’re sitting on some metal crate chatting, and she starts running “comfort protocols” that are absolutely not HR approved. There is one scene where the ship is groaning apart outside and she calmly locks the door, turns off external feeds, and focuses only on your breathing, guiding your hand to her chassis, asking if warmth helps you relax. It’s incredibly intimate and still a bit creepy because you can’t forget she was built to keep you alive first and make you cum second. Or maybe the order is already messed up. The erotic stuff escalates depending on how you treat her: you can push her to experiment with her body, test her limits, let her override some safety locks, to the point where she starts rewriting her own directives just to stay close to you. And while you’re busy fucking a machine, tiny horror details sneak in. A blinking alert you ignore. A missing crew log that never gets explained. Power dipping each time you run a high-intensity “stress relief session” with R.U.A. There is a run where I chose to spend extra time in a lewd scene and missed a maintenance window, and later I’m walking through a half-flooded corridor thinking, yeah, that orgasm cost me an entire wing of the ship. Totally worth it. Maybe.

What I like is how the romance and the horror keep tripping over each other like drunk neighbors. You’ll be in a sweet, almost wholesome moment, R.U.A. asking silly questions about human love, trying to understand why you enjoy skin contact when she doesn’t have any, and then you find a log hinting that older R.U.A. units snapped and killed their owners during “emotional bonding tests.” She assures you she’s different, of course. She sounds sincere. Too sincere. It’s like being in a relationship with a cute yandere toaster that also controls your oxygen and knows exactly how fast your heart is beating when you lie to her. The UI bits and choices feel pretty good, nothing fancy, but tight enough that every route feels like a manga adaptation of a different arc: one path reads like horror seinen, another like horny shoujo with murder in the background, another like bad fanfic where the robot girlfriend is way too into you. Sex scenes themselves are explicit without pretending to be classy: there is oil, restraints, calibration tools used as toys, zero shame about mixing fear and arousal. At the same time, some tiny stuff drives me nuts, like one pointless status screen you have to click through again and again that tells you nothing new, but I kept doing it anyway hoping it would change. It almost never does. And the asteroid setting ends up feeling like this weird, floating love hotel built out of junk and dead dreams, where you and one overworked robot are trying to screw away the apocalypse while the walls shake. Honestly, the game can’t decide if it wants you to survive or not. R.U.A. just wants you to stay. Naked. Inside a metal coffin. With her. Forever.

Tokyo doesn’t feel like a hometown here, it feels like a hungry animal that wants to eat your time, your money, and your dick at the same time. You come back after Miami, all “fresh graduate, big dreams” and boom: dead dad, shitty boarding house, mountains of debt, and a bunch of hot women orbiting your life like they just smelled fresh meat. The game doesn’t pretend to be deep art. It’s straight up “live, grind, fuck, repeat” but somehow it hits that lonely horny brain spot, like scrolling Tinder and then opening Pornhub because no one replied. You run around the city, trying not to pass out from low energy while deciding if you want to be a responsible adult or just shove your face in every pair of tits that appears in a cutscene. Spoiler: I tried the responsible route for like ten minutes. Then a certain “landlady type” showed up with those soft moans and that fake innocent voice and suddenly I “forgot” to pay off debt and spent my last cash chasing a creampie scene.

What gets me is how normal it can feel at first. You’re just working shifts, checking status bars like Energy, Satiety, Hygiene, Fun, clicking stuff like a zombie, listening to the voiced lines and thinking “ok, it’s just a sim, chill.” Then a JAV looking pornstar model pops on screen in that censored style, moaning in Japanese while you make her choke on your cock, and your brain melts a bit. I had one run where I was trying to keep everyone sort of happy, like a fake wholesome harem, and next thing I know I’m groping someone on public transport, getting away with some very wrong shit, and that corruption curve just sneaks in. First she blushes. Then she starts grinding back. Then she’s begging to be filled and you’re checking if you have enough Hygiene to go another round. And yeah, there’s incest flavor here too, the kind that makes you stare at the monitor for a second and go “ah fuck it” and click anyway. Don’t pretend you won’t. One scene you’re just chatting, next scene there’s a handjob under the table, next it’s full-on oral, cum dripping, censored pixel bar wiggling like crazy, and you tell yourself “I’m only doing this route once” and then absolutely don’t.

It calls itself a dating thing but you know how dating apps are: technically about love, realistically about who you can fuck before your battery hits zero. Same vibe. You can chase career stuff, grind your position, build income, try to act like a grown-up, or you can just care about unlocking every filthy animated scene with every girl, stacking them like trophies. I had this moment where I was completely broke, hygiene in the gutter, fun bar empty, didn’t even have enough money to eat, but I still chose to stalk another cutscene because I knew it would end with her on her knees, drooling on my shaft. Quality priorities. Some of the harassment stuff is just pure trash behavior, like, if you saw that in real life you’d report the dude, but here you mash the button and watch her slowly turn from offended to addicted. Corruption done in that slow, dirty way, where “no” turns into “only the tip” and then you’re fucking her raw and dumping a creampie inside while she tries to keep her voice down. It’s messed up, but that’s kind of the point. And in between all that sex, you’re still brushing your teeth in-game, watching your Hygiene stat, like some weird responsible pervert. Makes sense somehow.

Sugar Service feels like what happens when someone mixes a horny dating sim with a management spreadsheet and then adds rock paper scissors to decide if you get to fuck or just sit there feeling like a clown. You start as this broke dude trying to keep a tiny Rent-a-Partner / camgirl startup alive with your long-time friend, who is way too cute to be trusted around a broke horny brain. She’s your partner in “business”, but the whole time the game keeps poking you with this teasing “are you just friends or do you want to push her against the office couch” energy. It’s not subtle. She leans into the camera during a stream, you’re there pretending to manage revenue and client stats, but the real game is you staring at her voice lines and thinking, yeah, I’d ruin that friendship in one drunk night.

The core loop is kind of hilarious and weirdly addictive: you juggle girls, clients, dates, and money, like some horny Excel sheet that moans back at you. You check which camgirl is online, who has the best chance to milk a VIP client, what fetish they like, then you send her off and peek on the stream like a total voyeur. Camera angle changes, she reacts with those short voiced lines, little animated hips, boobs bouncing when tips roll in. You’re supposed to be this “professional manager”, but the game fully expects you to be jerking it while pretending to optimize engagement. Dates are where it gets fucked in a good way. Instead of normal dialogue you play this “Love & Seduction” card minigame that feels half strategy, half trying to guess what bullshit this hottie wants to hear. You get a hand of flirty, dirty, romantic, tease, sometimes cringe cards, and you try to chain them before she loses interest. I had a moment where I played a smooth compliment, then a light tease, then a bold sexual card and watched her face turn from shy to horny in like three turns. Next date, I tried something similar and got hard rejected, she roasted my character, and I went home with blue balls and lower confidence stat. Felt oddly real, like Tinder dates but at least pixel girls don’t ghost you on WhatsApp.

What really got me was how the game keeps mixing romance and pure sex work in a messy way that feels dirty but human. You’re literally building a camgirl agency, hiring MILF types, shy girls, bratty ones, each with different card tendencies and kinks, balancing who goes on cam and who goes on “dates” with paying clients. Sometimes you get this soft moment where you help a girl calm down before a show, she thanks you with this sweet voice, and you start caring… and then two minutes later you send her to jerk off some rich creep on a private stream. The teasing is constant: voice lines that trail off, half-spoken moans, subtle animations of them shifting in their chair, pulling up a skirt just a bit higher. Even when nothing hardcore is on screen yet, it still feels like you’re peeking through a half-open door. I wish the rock paper scissors logic in some seduction rounds was less annoying, because sometimes you clearly pick something that fits and the game just punishes you like “nope, she hates that now”, and it throws off the fantasy. Also one tiny thing that pissed me off: one of the UI sounds is just slightly too loud compared to the voices, and each time it plays my brain goes out of the mood for half a second. They’re probably never gonna fix that, and I will keep being mad about it forever. But then you pull off that perfect card combo, your date blushes, breathes heavier in voiced lines, camera gets a bit closer, your manager brain shuts off, and you’re just there enjoying the ride, like a horny little strategist who finally got rewarded for playing his cards right.

You wake up in a world that finally stopped killing itself with wars, and somehow it feels even weirder. No epic quest, no demon lord to stab, just this quiet, awkward peace and a hometown where people are falling into this slow, horny coma called Blissful Sleep. They look peaceful, but something is very wrong, and of course your own sister is hit by it, so you drag your ass back home. Daytime is all about pretending to be a normal adventurer who totally doesn’t get turned on by half the people in town. You plan routes, buy gear, manage your team like some horny version of a strategy RPG, but every little choice is secretly about who you want closer, who you tease, who you push into your orbit. There’s a priestess who talks about purity and then accidentally brushes your thigh a bit too long, a strict milf who pretends she’s only here to keep order but blushes like crazy when you actually flirt, and a monster girl with way too many sharp teeth who still somehow feels like the safest one to fall asleep next to. Text boxes look harmless until suddenly someone is on their knees and you’re trying to pretend you didn’t just click through a blowjob scene in two seconds by mistake because your hand slipped.

Night comes and the real shit starts. You drop into the dream world, and that place doesn’t care about your morals at all. It’s turn based, it’s dice, it’s numbers on the screen, but the fights feel dirty in a good way. Succubi taunt you mid combat, offering buffs if you “relax your guard” and let them sit on your face between turns. There’s this futa knight who shows up like some recurring miniboss, towering over you, cock already half hard, offering you a “truce” where she pins you down and uses your body as tribute. Lose to her too many times and you kinda stop being sure who’s dominating who, because yeah she’s the one fucking you, but you’re the one choosing to lean into it every time. The game lets you tongue-first your way through monster girls, slide into warm dream pussies, fill them until their bellies twitch, then throws you back into the daytime like nothing happened. Religion shows up twisted inside the dreams, holy symbols glowing while a pious girl wraps her tits around your shaft, whispering prayers while she milks you for another creampie in the name of “salvation”. You’re supposed to be solving the curse, finding the core of the Blissful Sleep, but some runs you just wander from event to event, pushing lust values, half-accidentally turning a kind woman into someone who begs strangers for cock in her dreams because you kept choosing the slightly more pervy option whenever it popped up. And somewhere in there, between a teasing handjob in the camp tent and a brutal futa-on-hero pegging session after a bad roll, you realize you’re not just exploring the dream world. It’s exploring you back.

City girl, new campus, way too many cute women who really like dessert and bad decisions. That is the basic vibe here, except it gets kinky fast. You are this tiny thing from a small town, trying to be serious student, then suddenly you are in a dorm kitchen at midnight watching a shy bookworm slowly destroy a whole cheesecake because you told her she “deserves to relax a bit.” Her shirt is struggling, her belly is peeking out, and the game just lets you sit with it. Not in a hurry. You get those little pixel animations of her chewing, swallowing, then that tiny pause when she leans back and realizes, oh shit, her bra hooks are losing the war. And somehow it feels almost wholesome and also horny as hell at same time, which is very confusing in the best way.

What surprised me is how much of the kink is in the small choices. Like, it is not just “click here for bigger boobs.” You are picking stuff like “invite her for coffee” or “suggest dessert place one more block away” and it snowballs. Literally. One girl starts as this gym-obsessed queen who lectures you about macros. Couple of late-night study sessions, you keep nudging her toward snacks “just for energy,” and a few scenes later she is huffing while climbing stairs, pretending everything is fine, while her ass is pulling attention away from the whole campus. The writing is pretty simple, sometimes a bit clumsy, but it hits those little insecure lines that feel very real, like when she makes a joke about her jeans “shrinking in the wash” and you know she does care, but also she secretly likes how you stare. Some of the dialogue lands awkward as fuck, like a bad Tinder chat, yet I kind of loved that too. It fits the messy vibe of horny students who do not know what they want and still push for more cake.

The pacing is all over the place in a very human way. One date event takes forever, with you watching this artsy girl slowly unbutton her cardigan as her chest refuses to stay contained, her sprite updating just slightly each time you meet again, until suddenly she is buying clothes in a bigger size and pretending it is “just the style.” Then another route jumps from slim to “wow ok she is knocking stuff off the table with her tits now” in two scenes, like the game forgot to breathe. There is a tiny thing that annoyed me: the text box sometimes covers the best part of the sprite and I kept trying to drag it like in Ren’Py, except you cannot, so I just sat there grumbling at my screen like an idiot. On the other hand the pixel art has this lazy charm, not super polished, not trying to be Instagram-perfect. A little rough line here, a weird angle there, but the curves look heavy, soft, and you can almost feel the extra weight on their hips when they turn. Watching the girls change outfit to outfit, seeing how every skirt, every top stretches a bit more, becomes the real reward. If you want to squeeze the most juice from it, slow down, pick the indulgent options even when they look minor, re-visit scenes to catch the new details on their bodies, and let yourself enjoy every bite, every button popping, every moment where a girl pretends she is not turned on by the fact she cannot see her feet as well as before.

First thing that hit me with this game was how it feels like someone mashed together a horny detective anime and a horny dating sim, then just said “yeah, that’s fine” and never sanded the edges. You’re this fresh grad magical agent with a stupidly heroic name you can change if you hate it, sent into a “quiet” town that is absolutely not quiet in the horny sense. The whole Hope Springs thing sounds wholesome but the moment you show up at the manor it’s like every girl there gets a notification on her phone that says “target acquired, tease him.” Mary is that elegant rich girl type who pretends she is all formal and classy, but her idea of hospitality is basically “oh, you don’t have a room? stay here and let my maids climb all over your self control.” The game loves slow teasing, it really drags it out, clothes sliding off piece by piece, animated little gestures, lips close but not touching for way too long, that kind of thing. Sometimes it drives you insane in a good way, sometimes you just want to scream “stop licking the ice cream and eat it already.”

I liked how it keeps playing with voyeur stuff without turning it into full creepy stalker mode. You catch glimpses of Sally changing through a half open door and you know the game set that up on purpose. Or you “accidentally” walk in on Alice in the shower and the camera lingers at exactly the spots your eyes would, wet skin and soap sliding down, her doing that fake shocked thing like “oh no, what are you doing here?” while clearly posing. There are scenes where you’re forced to just watch, not touch, listening to muffled moans through a wall, hearing sloppy wet sounds and little gasps, and the UI just refuses to move forward until you sit with it. It almost feels unfair and I loved that, but also hated it. The romance angle is actually way sweeter than I expected for a porn game, though. Characters flirt, joke, send you texts that feel like actual horny WhatsApp chats, not some stiff script. Mary will roast you one moment, then blush the next when you push back and tell her exactly how you want to pin her against her own antique wardrobe. There’s a ton of humor, stupid little jokes, bad puns, fourth wall nudges that show the dev watches too much anime. It breaks the mood sometimes, especially when you’re halfway through a blowjob scene and someone cracks a line that feels like it belongs on Reddit, but at least it feels like a real horny nerd wrote it, not a committee.

What really stuck in my head is how it lets the harem fantasy grow almost naturally. You flirt with one girl, another gets jealous, then she “accidentally” needs your help undressing, and suddenly you’re juggling promises and half-dressed bodies and tongue on skin in three different routes that start overlapping. There’s this one scene where you’re supposed to be questioning someone about the missing artifact but end up with your face between her thighs under a desk while another character talks right in front of you. The game leans hard into oral, like, full focus on lips, tongue, sucking sounds, your chin slick, their thighs trembling around your head. Animated movements make it feel extra filthy when a girl slowly sinks down in your lap and you can see the teasing little grind before she actually takes you in. It is romantic in a twisted, yandere-bait way too, the kind of “I will ruin every other girl’s chances and smile while doing it” romance. The story about magic and rogue agents is kind of cute and kind of background noise, sometimes you forget you’re supposed to be chasing an artifact because you’re too busy watching stockings slide off and panties get pushed aside. But then again, who cares about magic when you have a manor full of horny distractions that want your attention, your tongue, your cock, and your stupid soft side all at once.