Luke is that kind of guy you meet in college who looks like a background NPC, then you hear his stories later and go “what the actual fuck happened to you.” One walk in the woods, he bumps into this witch, Jezebel, and from there the whole thing turns into this horny fever dream that someone coded after watching too much Pornhub and forgetting to touch grass. The tone is funny, kind of goofy, but then it blindsides you with a really filthy scene and you just sit there staring at your phone like, ok, I didn’t expect to see that level of creampie physics on a mobile game while I’m supposed to be “checking emails”. The whole thing plays like a lazy Sunday: point, click, poke around, accidentally click on a MILF’s ass instead of her face, realize the game actually reacts to that, try it again just to be sure. Half of the time I felt like a horny crow picking every shiny thing on screen, waiting for it to moan.

The “sandbox” side is a bit like opening too many tabs in Chrome. College girls here, Jezebel there, some “totally normal” family situation that very much is not normal if you read the tags carefully. One moment you’re teasing a woman in the kitchen with harmless groping, next moment you’re watching an animated vaginal sex scene that goes on just long enough for you to forget you were supposed to be doing a quest. I liked how a lot of the hot stuff feels earned, but also not really, because sometimes you just click the right thing at the wrong time and boom, Luke’s getting his dick sucked in a hallway. The oral scenes are weirdly intimate and also kind of ridiculous, because the 3D models are detailed enough that when she’s talking dirty, fully voiced, you find yourself paying attention to lip sync in a porn game like some sort of QA tester. There’s a bit where Jezebel toys you with a magic-induced edging session using sex toys, and the way she teases Luke is almost sweet, then she drops some filthy line that sounds like it was written by someone who alt-tabs between Unity and Xvideos. And then you get this slow, sticky creampie shot that lingers just long enough for your screen to dim and your phone to judge you.

Some of the best stuff is in tiny moments the game doesn’t highlight. Like, you open a door expecting some normal dialog and instead walk in on a “family member” bent over, panties around her knees, and the camera doesn’t even do a big dramatic zoom. She just looks over her shoulder and you have this silent second of “are we doing this?” before the choices pop. That kind of thing hits harder than the big party scenes. The incest angle isn’t shouted, it’s more like the game winks at you and lets your brain fill in the wrong details. There’s a late scene where you’re sitting at a table with a mature woman, her voice soft and low, and your hand drifts under the table automatically because the game taught you already that every quiet moment is a chance to grope. You start rubbing her thigh, she keeps talking like nothing’s happening, then her breath catches just a bit when your fingers reach higher. She doesn’t stop you, doesn’t look at you, just keeps chatting while you slide into something much more intimate. Stuff like that feels way hotter than the “big” porn shots. Although sometimes the pacing goes weird and you’re stuck in some mini event when all you want is to get back to the witch and let her wreck Luke again. Also, small thing, but the way the characters blink on mobile makes them look like they’re judging you personally, which is rude and I hate it and I also keep coming back to it every night like some horny ritual.

You start in this weird in-between place that feels like somebody smashed their porn folder and their old Cartoon Network memories into one savefile and hit shuffle. There’s a cube, some ancient thing locked inside, and for some reason the only way to deal with it is flirting, corrupting, and fucking your way across different shows. Logic? Zero. But it kinda works. One moment you’re arguing with a redhead devil girl in a school hallway, next moment you’re on that crappy reality-show island with the wind blowing and a girl in shorts pretending she’s not checking you out while you fumble dialogue options like an idiot.

The whole thing plays like one of those old point and click flash games, but with that AI art twist. Sometimes the girls look insanely hot, like “I need a minute” hot, especially when the game decides to focus on those big tits and long hair and soft lips around your cock. Then suddenly one frame later the angle is weird and you’re like, did she just change artists mid-blowjob? Still, when Rias drops on her knees in that school corridor and starts giving you slow oral while the text pretends this is all part of some great romance prophecy, yeah, I forgot about the awkward bits fast. Same with Raven, when you finally push corruption far enough and she goes from moody and closed off to staring at you with glowing eyes while she sits on your lap in her tower, grinding slowly, mumbling something about forbidden magic like that’s not the least believable part of the scene.

What I liked most is how the crossover stuff never tries to be sensible. You jump from high school corridors with devils and contracts, to Teen Titans tower with moody half-demon girl meditating, to that cheap Total Drama camp full of dumb drama. One minute you’re picking romance choices like a good boy, trying to make Starfire blush, the next you’re picking the dirtiest option just to see how far the corruption tag goes. There’s this moment with Gwen on the island, late at “night”, when you finally push her just enough and she lets you pin her against a tree, half pissed, half turned on, and the game gives you this messy AI CG of her trying to act like she doesn’t want it while her body clearly does. It feels wrong in exactly the way this kind of parody is supposed to. And yeah, the pacing is all over the place, sometimes scenes drag, sometimes the point and click bits are clunky as fuck, sometimes the romance tries to be serious then jumps straight into hentai-level filth like you flipped a switch by accident. But I still kept a backup of my save on Google Drive and another one on Mega, because losing progress when you’re two choices away from turning a shy cartoon girl into your eager cocksleeve is pain I’m not repeating. Anyway, it’s messy, horny, kind of broken, and I’ll absolutely keep following updates. Dare to play it alone, or invite company?

Red Brim feels like someone tried to program a horny fever dream after binging too many dating sims and porn tabs, then got distracted halfway through but somehow it still works. You play this photography student who is way too good at accidentally ending up in pervy situations, even for hentai logic. Every click is like running a little mental minimax tree in your head: do I go to class and pretend I care about light and composition, or do I skip that and follow the woman in the huge red hat because she just “happens” to be standing in front of a window where you can see her reflection and way more than you should. And then you save scum because you picked the wrong option and she went all cold and distant instead of letting you get closer to her neck with the camera, which is honestly more erotic here than some of the full-on anal scenes later. Not joking.

The game looks like AI tried to remember what horny humans want to see and got 80% right. Big tits everywhere, like gravity forgot how to work, asses that barely fit into the frame, those weird perfect areola borders that scream “algorithm did this” but your dick doesn’t file complaints. Some animations loop just a bit too fast so when you’re doing a titfuck on that older teacher with glasses, her boobs bounce like a GIF from 2012, and it made me laugh while I still kept clicking. One scene with the milf neighbor in her kitchen, you angle the camera low, pretend you’re “testing POV composition,” and the game just lets you hover there, staring right under the skirt, no immediate payoff, only heavy breathing text and tiny sound effects. That little delay is hotter than three of the actual vaginal sex scenes. But then later you’re in the school darkroom, hand “accidentally” on a thigh while you explain ISO, and the transition from groping to full-on blowjob jumps like someone cut one line of code. No build up, just suddenly wet sounds. I loved it and hated it at same time.

The sandbox side is kind of a mess and kind of genius. You wander between campus, apartments, random city spots, re-clicking the same benches and doors because new events silently unlock after you saw some other girl masturbate in her bedroom while you peeked from the balcony with a telephoto lens. The voyeurism parts actually feel dirty, not “cute ecchi,” like when you watch the red-hat woman play with a toy on her bed and you only get to see pieces of her through the crack of the curtains. You jerk off along with the MC, but you can also choose not to, just watch, and somehow that path leads to a later anal scene with her in a tiny bathroom where she makes you hold the camera while she rides you, close-up on the creampie dripping out, like the game is flexing that it figured out POV correctly for once. The dating sim choices are janky: one line of dialogue is super tender, next one you accidentally ask if her tits are natural and she still likes you. Half broken, half clever. It feels like trying to solve a love triangle in a spreadsheet while your dick is trying to click all the wrong options. I kept Alt+Tabbing to Telegram and back, promising myself “one more scene” then chasing that perfect combination of big ass, big tits, and that smug look she gives you when you finally put the camera down and use your hands instead. It’s trashy, inconsistent, sometimes unintentionally funny, and I couldn’t stop poking at it like a pervert playing chess against himself.

You’re basically a horny hall monitor with a power trip, and somehow it actually works. The game throws you into this whole “mod for thirsty streamers” thing and at first it feels like a joke, then a bit later you’re sweating over chat messages and staring at a pair of tits bouncing on screen like it’s your actual job. You sit in the live stream window, messages flying, some guys just typing normal stuff and then the usual weird creeps spamming “show pussy” every second. You decide who gets banned, who gets through, who gets noticed by the girl on cam. It sounds simple, but when she suddenly says your mod name out loud, thanks you for “keeping chat clean,” and leans toward the camera so her huge boobs almost fill your whole view, you feel that stupid tiny rush in your chest and in your dick at same time. Felt kinda pathetic. Still grinned like a moron.

What I liked is how slowly you go from random nobody to “the mod she actually remembers.” One day she just does the normal stream, just a bit of cleavage, some teasing, talking about her day, and you play the little minigame at the bottom to boost the mood, tap the puzzle stuff, click the right answers. Next stream, her top is a bit tighter, she smiles when you enter chat, and the relationship bar slides up just enough to make you want more. You get those small rewards first, like short animated loops, POV close-ups of her licking a dildo, soft moaning in your headphones while you pretend you’re still paying attention to the chat. Then it escalates. One date scene suddenly turns into her straddling you on a couch, her big ass grinding down, her panties already pushed aside, and that moment where she looks back with that half-ahegao expression, tongue out, eyes a little crossed, is kind of dumb and also kind of perfect. The creampie animation feels a bit too proud of itself, but I still replayed it. More than once. I’m not proud either.

There’s something weirdly satisfying in the whole “I control who gets to be an asshole” part. You block a toxic user, mood goes up, donation bar climbs, she shakes her tits to celebrate and reads some horny comment you allowed, then laughs and bites her lip like she might actually be into it. Of course she’s not, but the game sells the fantasy well enough you start to believe your choices matter outside this little window. You unlock special events, some of them just cozy chill calls where she wears a big shirt and no bra, nipples poking through the fabric if you stare long enough. Others go full porn: blowjob scenes from POV with her eyes looking up, spit running down the shaft, toys sliding between her legs while she breathes your name like you’re the only guy in existence. The puzzles are sometimes annoying, like they pop right when you’re trying to focus on her ass bouncing in reverse cowgirl, and the music personalization is kind of useless, I picked a track and forgot about it ten minutes later. But whatever. The real hook is watching that bar slowly fill up, knowing the better you play mod, the more she opens up, literally spreading her legs for you, riding until you dump everything inside her and the screen lingers on the cum slowly leaking out. It’s trashy, a bit needy, kind of addictive, and honestly, it got me good.

Everything in this game feels wet, sticky, or slightly wrong in the best way. You start as this HOWL squad guy all wrapped in military mindset, but the world already went to hell and turned into a squishy latex nightmare, so the “tactical” stuff kind of melts away pretty fast. The first time you walk through a street and your boots make that half-squelch, half-crunch noise on some glossy black slime, it hits different. You can almost feel your feet sink a bit. Then something moves under the surface, like the ground is breathing, and the game just lets you sit there and click around in it. That slow point and click rhythm actually makes the sex and the horror hit harder, because you’re not rushing, you’re just… touching things. Poking at organic doors that twitch when you click, brushing the cursor over pulsating veins in the walls, checking containers that look like they’re sweating. It made me lean closer to the monitor more than I expected. I kept touching my own arm at some points, like checking if my skin was still mine and not turning glossy like theirs. The whole symbiote suit thing clings to the protagonist in a very physical way too. You don’t just “equip” it. You feel it. Scenes where the living suit tightens around his cock or slides inside his skin, spreading under it like hot syrup, are so much better because the sound design goes all in. There is this wet slurp when it seals around him, and a quiet heartbeat in the background that isn’t always clear if it’s his or the suit. Sometimes it’s too loud in the mix, actually, kind of annoying in headphones, but then the next moment some slime girl whispers right in your ear and you forget you were annoyed. Her voice is soft but a bit gurgly, like she has thick liquid pooling behind her tongue. When she rides him, you hear every messy stroke, the squish of her latex-like insides hugging his shaft, the thin strand sounds when they pull apart for a second and slap back together. And the game is not shy with vaginal shots either, there are angles where you can almost feel the stretch as she sinks down slowly, the symbiote suit reacting, tightening on his hips as if jealous.

Then there are the monster girls that are halfway beautiful and halfway “this thing could snap my spine in half.” One scene with a tentacled thing that still calls itself a girl made me pause Pornhub mid-scroll the next day because it stuck so hard in my brain. She wraps him up, not violently, more like a hug that keeps adding more arms and more pressure. The tentacles slide under the suit, into it, through it, and you feel this double texture: the slick cold of her skin and the hot cling of the living armor. There’s this great moment where you see a tentacle push against his slit, then slowly part it and slip in, and you can hear the suit protesting with this rubbery creak sound, while at the same time the protagonist lets out a half-choked moan that sounds way too real. It’s not all horny fun though. Some transformations are outright nasty, with bones shifting and faces half melting into smooth yet shining surfaces, and one sequence where a dude basically bursts into a dripping mass of tendrils had me pull off my headset and just stare at the screen. The game does corruption in a very quiet way. One scene you’re still a soldier trying to protect people, next scene you’re letting a slime girl ride your face in an alley full of organic trash, her slick thighs clamping your head while her fluids drip down your neck and under your collar. You tell yourself it’s just to “get information” but the way the UI lingers on your choices, yeah, it’s not subtle. I still can’t forgive the stupid little inventory sound though, it has this cheap click that doesn’t match the sticky vibe of everything else and every time I open it during a heated tentacle sequence, it yanks me out for a second. But then some corrupted creature grabs the main guy by the throat, pins him to a wall that pulses like a living womb, and forces his cock inside a quivering slit that wasn’t there a moment ago, and you’re right back in that heavy, damp, dystopian sex nightmare that somehow feels nice on your skin just to watch.

This thing starts like some boring clean corporate training sim and then suddenly you are balls deep in a society that pretends feelings don’t exist while everyone is secretly horny as hell. You’re this engineer guy who thinks in numbers, not in kisses, everything is rules and clean straight lines, and then you meet her. Of course there’s a “her”. They always say emotions are illegal here, but those tits should be illegal first. The camera sticks right in your face, proper POV, so when she leans in close the only thing you see is cleavage and those tiny muscles around her mouth when she’s pretending your touch doesn’t affect her. Spoiler: it does. The game keeps doing that thing where the world is all cold white metal and smooth sci-fi panels and then there’s skin, wet lips, soft sounds in your ear. Like the universe built only two textures: chrome and pussy.

I like how it pretends to be pure story for a while. Point and click, look at some terminals, listen to some stiff robot people talk about protocol, like you’re stuck in a porn parody of a management meeting. You’re scanning logs, overriding doors, playing the obedient little drone. Then one tiny choice, like touching her hand a second too long, and the whole vibe flips. She pulls you into this off-grid space where the lights are low and the walls hum and suddenly she’s on her knees between your legs, trying so hard to keep a straight face while she’s got your cock in her mouth. The animation is not perfect, actually kind of janky in some angles, but that makes it feel more real, like a real person moving, not hyper-polished plastic doll. Her head bobbing, spit stretching, her eyes flicking up to check if the cameras see you. That one tiny delay before she swallows, like she’s thinking “this is against regulation 4.3.1” and then does it anyway. It’s hot and a little stupid and I loved it and also I kinda hate that her hair clips through her shoulder but whatever.

What really messed me up is the way they handle the “no emotions” rules. They don’t do big speeches, they just have her try to fuck you clinically, like it’s a test procedure. First blowjob, then she climbs on top of you and rides you with this controlled, almost robotic motion, big ass going up and down in perfect rhythm, no moaning, no messy sounds, just her breathing a little faster. And you can choose to just let her do her little science experiment, or break it. Grab her hips, throw off the tempo, push her down until her tits press into your chest and she finally cracks and starts whining in your ear. There is this moment where she’s still trying to keep her voice flat while your dick is deep inside her, like “this interaction is irrelevant” while her pussy clenches around you and her composure just melts. Honestly, I wanted more crazy alien stuff and less board-room politics, but then there’s a scene where she’s half naked, hiding with you behind some machinery while patrol drones pass, your hand shoved between her thighs to keep her from whimpering, and the whole sterile sci-fi thing suddenly makes sense as background for extremely dirty sex. It’s romantic in the most broken, fucked-up way and also I kinda wanted one more dialogue option to just ruin everything, but the story drags you forward whether you like it or not. In a good way. Or in a bad way. I can’t even decide, I just know when she whispered “don’t feel anything” while you were pumping her full, my brain absolutely ignored the order.

Beta Life feels like that messy first semester where everything is a little bit fucked, kinda exciting, kinda stupid, and definitely horny as hell. You start as this nobody freshman, just dumped into campus with no clue, and the game basically goes: “ok, go ruin your life or make it awesome, your problem.” There’s no holding your hand, you just wander around, click shit, talk to people, check your phone, realize your stats are trash, then somehow end up at a party with a red cup in one hand and someone grinding on you in a way that makes you think “yeah, this is a bad idea” and you still go for it. That’s kinda the whole vibe: bad ideas that feel really good.

The part that really got me is how normal it all feels before it gets horny. You’re in class, doing some stupid little puzzle thing to pass, trying not to fail, and then suddenly the girl next to you is bending over way too far and you’re distracted, then you get this option to flirt or act like a boring good student. I tried the “good student” first time and instantly regretted it. Second try, I went full degenerate, and wow, it escalates quick. One moment it’s just small talk after lecture, next moment she’s in your dorm, half naked, teasing you about how “you’re supposed to be studying” while stroking you under the desk. And it doesn’t soft-pedal the sex either, it gets explicit: tits out, spit, moaning, her riding you till the bed creaks, stuff dripping down your thighs afterward. No “fade to black”, it actually describes the way her legs shake when she cums on you and how you can decide to pull out or just breed her like an idiot who’s never heard of condoms.

But then, in the middle of all that, the game hits you with weird little turn based fights and I still don’t know how I feel about that. Like I’m there trying to line up my choices to get my dick wet and suddenly I’m in some dumb campus brawl, picking “attack / defend / special” like it’s some old school RPG. Kind of funny, kind of annoying. You win, you get some stat bump, maybe impress someone who watched you beat the shit out of a drunk frat guy, and then that opens an option later where she’s all “show me those strong hands again” while she’s on her knees, gagging on you, mascara running. It’s hot, but also, why is the menu button so tiny? I keep misclicking on my phone while hiding the browser behind my Excel window and it pisses me off every single time, and then I forget why I even opened the map.

The parties are where the game really goes wild. You wander from room to room, poke into some kitchen, see two people making out on the counter, go upstairs and there’s a half-closed door with moaning and suddenly you’re getting dragged inside. One route I stumbled into, I was already buzzed, this punk-looking girl hands me a drink and starts a “game” with dares. First dare, she makes me take off my shirt. Second dare, she puts my hand between her legs over her panties. Third dare, she sits on my face, holding my head like she owns me, grinding her wet pussy on my tongue until she practically screams, then laughs and goes “you’re not done, freshman” and makes me fuck her on the floor while someone might walk in any second. Another run, I played more careful, tried to be “respectable”, went to study instead, solved some dumb mini puzzle for extra grades and yeah, okay, it helped later, but I was also just sitting there thinking, why the hell am I doing homework in a porn game.

What I like is that it lets you be different types of asshole. You can be the fake nice guy who secretly just wants to fuck everyone, or the open perv, or the chill dude who slowly collects hookups by accident. Sometimes the writing hits exactly that horny college stupidity: drunk flirting in the bathroom, a girl sending you a risky pic at night, you choosing whether to send a full hard dick shot back or something more “boy next door”. Other times it feels a bit like the dialogue was written in a rush and my brain kinda checks out, but then it hits me with a moment like sneaking into a dorm room at night, slipping under the blanket with a girl who’s half-asleep, feeling her press her ass against your cock and whisper “don’t wake my roommate” while you slowly slide into her, trying not to make the bed move. And suddenly I forget that earlier some line sounded weird. It’s messy, uneven, horny in a very honest way, like real campus life if everyone was hotter and way more willing to take their clothes off just because you picked the right line three scenes ago.

Moon Town starts like one of those small-town dramas where everybody pretends to be nice, except here they also want to get in your pants or into your wallet, sometimes both. You show up broke, lonely, and a bit useless, staring at your shitty stats screen on your in-game phone, wondering why your strength is like 2 and your charisma is basically “please stop talking.” Then you go to the gym once, meet this sweaty hunk grinning at you like he knows you’re checking out his arms, and suddenly you’re thinking “ok, maybe being poor here is not the worst thing.” The whole thing plays like a messy mix of life sim and horny visual novel: you tap around town, juggle jobs, spam the city map, check your calendar for birthdays, and somewhere between late shifts and cheap food you start sexting people that should absolutely know better. It feels like a dating app that accidentally grew into a whole town.

What I liked is how the game doesn’t shove sex at you right away. You actually have to grind a little, talk, flirt, send stupid messages through that fake social app, pick answers that are sometimes smooth and sometimes “why did I click that.” One moment you’re nervously asking Charlotte if she wants to grab a drink after work, trying to not sound desperate, and the next you’re in her tiny apartment, watching her kick off her heels and crawl over you on the couch like this was the plan from the beginning. Her blouse half open, her bra strap slipping, your hand sliding up her thigh, and the game just keeps giving you choices: tease more, go rough, pull back and make her beg. You can practically feel her breath on your neck when she leans close and whispers something dirty in your ear, promising to “reward” you if you keep performing at the office. It is hot, yeah, but also a bit fucked up, because your paycheck kind of depends on how well you handle her in bed and in meetings. Then later you’re lying in her sheets thinking “this relationship is extremely unhealthy” and next day you’re back in the office trying to nail a report while remembering how she rode you on her desk with the blinds half open.

And it is not just her. You can build this weird web of flings and romances, like sending cute selfies to Hana at night while pretending to be “just friends” with Dante at the gym, knowing damn well that if you pick the right option after sparring he’s going to push you against the locker and test how flexible you are. The game lets you be sweet, manipulative, horny, or just an opportunistic bastard, and people actually react when you ghost them or show up at their birthday with a cheap gift because you spent all your cash on sexier clothes. There’s a lot of stat juggling, some days feel like you’re stuck in a grind loop, and the calendar system can be annoying when you miss an event by one day for no good reason and the game acts like nothing happened. Also whoever designed the in-game phone made the notification sound just slightly irritating enough that I want to throw it out of a window, but I keep checking it anyway like an idiot because that’s where the nudes show up. The whole thing feels like living inside a thirsty group chat that turned into a town: you’re always one choice away from a cute kiss on a park bench, a messy breakup in a bar bathroom, or getting your brains fucked out by someone who might stab you in the back later, maybe not literally, but who knows with this place.

Ayako wakes up in this fake peaceful town and from the first click you feel something is off. Not just story wise, I mean horny wise too. She walks around in this neat little apartment, panties riding up under that hunter outfit like she forgot she’s supposed to be a terrifying demon killer and not my personal fap material. Then the game lets you poke around, literally point at everything, and it starts dropping tiny weird hints. A mask that looks way too familiar, a stain on the floor that looks suspiciously like dried… anyway. The mood is quiet, almost cozy, then suddenly you get a flash of her tearing through Yōkai and moaning from pain and anger at the same time and your brain goes “yeah ok, I’m in”.

The thing that really got me was the way it mixes all the supernatural demon drama with these horny little side scenes like they’re totally normal. One second you’re talking to Yumi and she’s all supportive and soft, her voice line when she whispers Ayako’s name is burned into my skull, I swear. Next second, you click the wrong line in the dialog and you get Ayako zoning out, fingers sliding under her skirt while she tries to force a memory back. She’s literally masturbating to her own trauma and the game just goes with it like “ok, that works”. It’s kind of fucked up. It’s kind of hot. And the camera loves to sit just a bit too low when she’s on her knees. There is this one scene where Yumi stops her, grabs her wrist and presses her hand against her own thigh instead, and the little gasp Ayako makes? I had to pause and just sit there like “ok replay, replay, replay”.

Rin is another thing. This demon shows up like some smug ancient perv that saw a thousand human lives and decided the new hobby is teasing horny hunters. When it leans in close to Ayako, whispering in her head, you can clearly tell it is not only about “helping” her. The mind control bits are slow, not cheap hypnotic circles or something, more like you pick a dialog option and realize two clicks later she’s saying things you never chose. At one point Rin pushes her to her knees in a dark alley memory, makes her open her mouth while a Yōkai shadow wraps around her throat, and the game never actually shows penetration but your brain fills all the blanks in glorious cursed detail. And then, just when you’re fully hard, the story swerves back into mystery territory like nothing happened, like “ok, back to clues now”. I kind of hate how good that whiplash feels. I also hate that the cursor highlight is a bit off sometimes and I kept missing a hotspot on the damn bookshelf, but whatever, I still sat there clicking around hoping it would somehow trigger another lesbian scene with Yumi pinning Ayako to the futon, tongue slowly tracing over those scars she got in Yomi while Rin watches from the shadows and quietly rewrites her memories into something even dirtier than before.