Lucas walks back into this rich guy fantasy house that is actually his dad’s place, but it feels more like a porn set than a home. Marble floor, giant staircases, everything screaming money, but the whole place is cold as hell emotionally. Dad is “away” all the time, ghost owner vibes. In the middle of all that, there she is: Isabelly, the stepmom, young enough that you instantly go “ok, this is fucked” but your dick is already having a different opinion. Big tits that don’t even try to be subtle, curves wrapped in these classy outfits that pretend to be respectable while the camera keeps catching angles that are not respectful at all. The game loves to park the screen on the little details: how her blouse opens just a bit too low when she leans over, how her lips stay just a second longer on that fake innocent smile, how her legs cross when she sits on the couch and you can feel Lucas’ brain melting through his nose.

The whole tension is that kind of slow burn where every normal thing feels dirty. Breakfast scenes feel like foreplay. Her asking “can you help me with this?” is already corruption in progress, because you know very well it never stops at “this”. The game really leans into humiliation, not in some clownish way, but like emotional kicking in the balls. Lucas is constantly reminded he is the outsider in his own house, treated like a guest, like a kid, and at the same time this woman is playing with his hormones, walking around half covered, pressing her tits a little too close, using his obvious crush as a toy. When things start to escalate, it hits that cheating angle hard. She is married to his father, that detail never goes away. Sometimes she even mentions the old man right when she is getting a little too close, and you can feel Lucas’ stomach twist, and honestly mine too. You get that slimy netorare flavor where you are both the victim and the bastard at the same time.

The scenes are rendered with that ai cg look where everything feels slightly unreal, almost too perfect, and in this game it kind of works because this whole mansion life is already fake as fuck. Isabelly sits right between milf and trophy doll, with those big tits basically having more personality than half of the cast, and the story keeps pushing you into situations where saying no feels impossible, but saying yes feels like you are ruining your own life on purpose. One moment she is tender, like a soft caring figure, and in the very next she is twisting the knife, teasing you, using your hard-on like leverage. There is one moment where Lucas catches a hint that maybe he is not the first toy in this house, and the game just drops that bomb and moves on like it is nothing, which annoyed me more than it should. I also hated one small thing: a tiny sound effect in a certain scene that repeats and repeats, like a cheap porn loop, and now it lives rent free in my brain. Still, I kept clicking, because every choice feels like pushing Lucas deeper into this mess of lust, shame, and that weird thrill when you know you are doing something unforgivable and you still spread her legs anyway.

Alex is one of those guys you swipe past without thinking, until his life starts going to hell and suddenly he’s the center of the mess. Broke college kid, roommate who talks big and thinks with his dick, grades slipping, horny all the time and pretending it’s not a problem. Then that letter shows up. Not email, not some in-game popup, an actual letter that somehow knows way too much about him, about his family, about his debts, about what turns him on when the curtains are closed and the browser is on incognito. It doesn’t welcome him, it tempts him. Take this job, follow these rules, and your money problem “goes away”. Also your morals, but the letter is polite enough not to spell that part out. From the first click, the whole thing feels like when you open a random porn tab “just to peek” and three hours later you’re deep into some weird niche. Except here you’re driving Alex into it, nudging him, or shoving him, depending how horny and cruel you feel that moment.

What I like is how slow some of the corruption hits. It doesn’t instantly throw him into a room full of naked bodies moaning his name. You start small. A look that lingers too long on a milf who really, really shouldn’t be giving him that bedroom stare. A “harmless” strip dare in a place where the cameras are definitely on. A little flirting with someone who already has a partner while you tell yourself it’s just teasing. Then suddenly, you’re juggling scenes where he can screw a stacked older woman against a glass wall, grinding that big ass while she bites her lip and whispers that her husband can’t fuck her like this, and at the same time there’s a younger girl texting him that she’s waiting in his dorm bed, no panties, wanting to taste him. The game lets you be the fake good guy who pretends he “didn’t mean” to cheat, or the full-on bastard who clicks every option that leads to oral under the table, bareback pussy, interracial threesomes, harem routes, all of it. Sometimes you look at a choice and think, ok, this is where it goes too far, this is the netorare stuff I’ll skip, and then they slip in an avoidable branch or a point-and-click detail that makes you hesitate, because you want to see what happens if you let a jealous husband watch, or if you let the girl moan someone else’s name while Alex is buried deep in her. And no, the game doesn’t judge you. That job from the letter? It just keeps giving him new “responsibilities”: undress her, touch there, make her beg, record this, corrupt that. The sci-fi angle sneaks up too, like reality itself is one of the women he’s slowly stripping, layer by layer, until you realize what looked like a normal college drama is actually several hidden worlds rubbing against each other, leaking into his life. You click around a room and suddenly find a device that shouldn’t exist, a file that hints certain “family” lines are more twisted than the characters know, an animated scene where time feels like it slows while you watch bodies move, tits bouncing, tongues working, dripping wet and completely unashamed. By the time multiple endings start to peek through the dialogue, you’re not thinking about “right” or “wrong” anymore. You’re just deciding how far you want Alex to fall, and who you want tangled in his sheets when everything finally breaks.

Three hungover college idiots skip orientation, think they’re clever, and end up trapped in the most fucked up “sex education” punishment class the campus ever invented. That’s basically the pitch, but it hits different when you’re inside it. You’re stuck as the main girl, sitting there in this quiet classroom on a Saturday morning, thighs pressed together under a too-short skirt, while a teacher who looks like she walked out of a porn search for “milf professor with dangerous tits” explains how they’re going to “correct your behavior” using very hands-on lessons. On paper it’s just a kinetic novel, so no choices, but it kinda works like watching some fucked up series where you’re also inside the head of the main character, feeling every bit of her embarrassment and horniness. One second she’s trying to act innocent, next she’s on her knees under the desk, sucking cock so she doesn’t fail the course.

The nice thing is how it takes its time before going completely off the rails. First you get that school vibe, the awkward small talk between the three students, the quiet sounds in the hallway, the teacher acting strict but calm. Then you notice how her blouse buttons are just one second away from exploding, and her ass fills the skirt like gravity is working extra overtime on it. When she starts the “practical part”, it’s not just “everyone fuck now”. She calls you out first for skipping, makes you stand in front, checks your “body awareness” by literally groping your tits in front of everyone, slipping her hand under your bra and pretending it’s scientific. The two other students watch, shifting in their seats, and you feel the heat in your cheeks at the same time as the wetness between your legs. Oh, and she’s not just into guys. She gets on her knees, lifts your skirt and starts tasting you like some kind of reward for “honesty”, tongue working slow, fingers teasing, while the boys are ordered to sit still and not touch themselves. Of course they fail, and that’s when the group stuff kicks in. You get pushed on the teacher’s desk, legs spread, one guy eating you out while the other rams your mouth, and the milf holds your wrists and whispers filth in your ear about how bad girls need extra lessons. At some point she brings out a vibrator from her drawer like it’s a normal school supply and presses it against your clit while you’re already full, and the whole thing gets messy in a good way, lots of cum, spit, and that feeling like your brain left your body.

What caught me off guard is how the story keeps slipping little personal bits in between all the fucking. The main girl tries to act tough but you can tell she’s got this weird thing with authority, like every time the teacher raises her voice she gets wetter. There’s this short quiet moment in the restroom where she’s alone, staring at herself in the mirror, then she just gives up and starts masturbating in the stall, fingers buried deep, replaying what just happened in class, grinding her palm on her clit so hard you can almost hear it. And it doesn’t stay only student/teacher either. One of the older women involved in running the course looks suspiciously like she could be related to you, in a way that makes your stomach twist a bit, but the game just leans into it like “ok, that’s a thing now”. She hugs you a little too long, her hand sliding over your ass, telling you that “keeping it in the family” makes everything easier to hide, and before you can think too hard about it, you’re half naked on her lap, her fingers deep inside you while she orders the others around like it’s a private porn shoot. There’s girl on girl scenes that feel more intimate, with slow licking, soft kisses, big tits pressed together and hands exploring, then it flips again and you’re being used by multiple people at once, pulled, grabbed, choked a bit, toys shoved inside you until you forget you were supposed to be “learning” anything. It’s kinda relaxing in a fucked up way, like real life shit stops existing and your whole universe shrinks to that tiny school room full of sweat, tongues, and bad decisions.

This one feels like catching some dude’s dirty browser history and then realizing you kind of want to keep scrolling. You’re in this cramped little house vibe with a young guy who’s way too into his mom, and it doesn’t even pretend to be wholesome. It starts slow, just small stuff, watching her walk around in those tight clothes, the shirt that rides up when she reaches, boobs practically falling out. You click through his internal monologue, and he keeps telling himself it’s wrong, he’ll stop, he’ll be “normal”, all that. Then she catches him jerking off with her panties, and everything tilts. That scene is where I paused like three times just to grab GIFs, because her face slides from shock to this kind of hungry curiosity, and the animation leans in hard on that ahegao twist, tongue, eyes, the whole package.

Once that door is open, the game stops pretending it’s about “morality” and just goes into every kink it promised. There’s the slow burn romance angle where she’s stroking his hair, calling him her “good boy”, acting like she wants to protect him, and three lines later she’s on her knees, drool on his shaft, tits pressed together for a messy titfuck that ends in a creamy drip between her cleavage. And yeah, the big tits are not just background decoration, the camera keeps zooming on them, bouncing, squeezed in tight tops, nipples poking through when things get heated. You can go from soft handjob scenes on the couch, where the room is quiet and you only hear his breathing and the little wet strokes, straight to her bending over the bed for anal because she doesn’t want him to “risk” making her pregnant. That anal scene after the argument in the hallway was wild, she’s half mad, half turned on, telling him he’s a bad son while pushing her ass back on him, and then the game lingers on the creampie inside, like way longer than it needs to. Not complaining.

It’s kinda funny, sometimes it pretends like female domination is the main theme, with her ordering him to lick her feet, making him massage her legs and then sliding her toes over his dick, really slow, teasing him, talking about how boys shouldn’t touch their moms. Then suddenly he snaps and flips her on the bed and you get this rough male domination sequence where she’s begging for more, nails in his back, ahegao face in full glory, legs shaking while he pounds her. The spanking parts sit in a weird place for me: on one hand, great angles of her fat ass jiggling when he slaps it, red handprints blooming, panties pulled to the side. On the other hand, the sound effect there is just a bit off, like someone clapped in a bathroom. I kept noticing that, especially with headphones on, and then I forgot about it because she starts moaning louder and you get that slow zoom on his cock sliding inside her, wet and shiny, and yeah, brain empty again. There’s also a short masturbation scene where she thinks he’s asleep, rubbing herself on his bed, whispering his name, and that one might be my favorite, since it mixes the romance with the pure filth so well. Honestly it tries to act deep for a second with all his guilt and talk about leaving home, but it’s total bullshit in the best way, because every choice that looks “pure” still leads you into some new angle of oral, anal, or her riding him in the living room while the curtains are half open like they both want the neighbors to see.

Kat’s life is a total mess in the most fun way. One minute she is half naked on stream with cat ears on, milking subs while pretending to “struggle” with some puzzle game, the next she is in a real classroom solving math problems faster than the teacher. Same girl, same big ass stuffed into a way too tight skirt, completely different masks. The game throws you right into that chaos. You are basically riding shotgun in her head while she flips between being the shy nerdy student, the thirsty gamer girl who loves when chat spams emotes, and the bratty little slut who knows exactly how to use her body to get what she wants. It is not subtle. She flashes tits on camera, teases her stepmom in the kitchen while pretending nothing is happening, then goes to campus like her pussy wasn’t just dripping on a gaming chair. Also I swear whoever modeled her boobs is a pervert, they bounce even when she just breathes. That’s praise by the way. Mostly.

The school stuff hits different than usual porn VN trash. You are doing these light puzzle moments and math mini bits while she is literally texting two people she is fucking at the same time. Girlfriend asking if she can come over and “study,” professor sending a voice message about “private tutoring.” You know exactly what kind of oral exam is coming and you still click it. There is this classroom scene where she solves a problem at the board, chalk dust on her fingers, skirt riding up, and you can feel the prof staring at her ass. Later he has her on that same desk, panties around one ankle, hand clamped on the back of her neck while he buries her face in the notebook she used earlier. Creampie on the page with all the equations. Real high level education. And the voice acting helps too. Kat moans through her teeth when she tries to stay quiet, girlfriend’s voice goes all soft when she slides down between Kat’s legs, the stepmom has this deep, lazy “I own you” tone that will probably ruin some people forever. Sometimes the moans sound a bit too clean, like recorded in a padded room, and it pulls you out for a second, but then you get a wet choking sound during a blowjob and forget what you were annoyed about.

What really sticks is how filthy the house feels without actually being dirty. Kitchen looks normal, but you know the stepmom has fucked her there. There is this voyeur moment where Kat sneaks to the door, watches her stepmom stroke herself on the couch, fat cock in her hand, phone in the other, and you can see Kat bite her lip, fingers already under her shorts. The game loves exhibitionism too. She does a cosplay stream in a “safe” school uniform, then slowly unbuttons it while reading dumb messages from chat. At one point she “accidentally” sets the camera a bit too low and you get that perfect under table view while she gives a secret handjob off screen. Only it is not off screen for you. And then you get lesbian scenes with the girlfriend that are full on soft and romantic until Kat just grabs her head and rides her face like she is farming XP. Then later she calls her the “good girl” and you remember that Kat is not actually the victim here, she is the one juggling everyone. The pacing is weird sometimes, it jumps from goofy humor to incest tension to futa domination in a few clicks, like someone flicking TV channels with one hand while masturbating with the other, but that kind of fits. This is exactly the sort of game where a girl solves a math puzzle, sucks a cock as reward, then wipes her mouth and goes back to streaming like nothing happened. And I still hate the tiny mouse cursor in the main menu for some reason, it looks like it belongs in Windows 98, but yeah, anyway.

You get dropped into this messed up fantasy queendom where everything feels like some horny DnD campaign that went off the rails, but in a good way. They keep telling you you’re not the hero, your friend is the “chosen one”, but the game clearly enjoys putting you in the middle of all the drama anyway. The world looks like one of those overdecorated anime Pinterest boards come to life: shiny armor, magic light, ridiculous castles, and then this weird contrast of fallen angel girls acting all holy while their halos are basically hanging on by a string. One second you’re listening to politics, next second a hot older queen type is absolutely grilling you with her eyes like she’s checking meat at the market and already knows how she’s going to ride it. The teasing is constant, to the point it almost feels like the game is roasting you: you’re supposed to be “side character”, but every milf, monster girl and smug noble woman keeps using you as her personal stress toy. And yeah, I liked that way too much.

The power dynamic is funny in this one, because people talk to you like you’re disposable, then two scenes later some tall, perfectly-stacked sorceress has you pinned to a bed, calling you “boy” while she’s the one doing all the work. There’s one scene early on in a library room that completely sold me: your childhood friend, the “hero”, is having their big destiny talk with some angel chick, and the camera basically drifts away from them to focus on you getting cornered between two shelves by a horny monster girl with horns and a tail. She keeps pretending she just wants a “little taste of human mana”, but the way she slowly grinds on you, whispering in your ear, her claws barely scratching your chest, it’s so obvious she wants to drain you dry in the dirtiest way possible. When she finally sinks down on your cock, the sound and animation of that slow first push is so, so nasty in the best way. Wet, tight, drawn out, like the game is proud of making you wait. And then she starts riding you and talking shit about how weak you look while she milks you, like some kind of horny demon personal trainer. Honestly, I opened Spotify and put my own “Slow Pervert Energy” playlist on loop for that whole part, it synced too well.

What I liked is that the humor is not afraid to be dumb and horny at the same time. People make jokes about prophecy, war and angel corruption, then suddenly you’re in a room with a milf knight captain who says she needs to “inspect your stamina” and it hard-cuts to her sitting on your lap, plate armor half off, boobs basically spilling, bouncing on your dick like it’s just another daily duty. The sex itself leans a lot into female control: they push you down, sit on your face, guide your hips, ride till your legs shake. Even when you’re doing vaginal from below, it feels like they are the ones deciding how fast and how deep, and the game really loves that angle where she looks down at you with that “aww, you already came?” smirk. The isekai stuff is kinda chaotic, the plot talks about corrupted angels and tensions between regions, but then right in the middle of some serious conversation, a monster girl will casually grab your crotch under the table and dare you to stay quiet. There’s clipping here and there, some awkward camera stuff, and one character’s hair that keeps glitching through her tits in a way that drove me nuts for no reason. But I kept going anyway, because every time I thought “ok, enough”, another scene throws me into some new power-play situation where a gorgeous woman takes charge and uses my poor MC like a toy. It feels wrong, stupid, hot, and somehow relaxed at the same time, like a late-night playlist that keeps switching from bangers to slow, filthy tracks without warning.

You start as this kinda clueless guy dumped into a “totally not official” region, phone in one hand, half a chub in the other, and suddenly you’re supposed to be both monster trainer and professional horndog. The game plays it like a classic monster RPG, turn based fights and all, but every win feels more like you’re grinding Tinder than grinding levels. You throw balls at monsters, then five minutes later you’re throwing something else at Misty in a changing room. I was half expecting it to be all tease, but nope, it goes hard on the porn side. Big asses, big tits, tiny shorts, way too much bending over. Cynthia shows up with that smug “I know you’re staring at my boobs” energy, and the game absolutely rewards you for being a thirsty idiot. You can wander around like a sandbox, poke into houses you clearly shouldn’t, get sidetracked by some milf asking for “help with her Pokémon” who definitely does not mean her Pokémon. At one point I was supposed to go beat a gym and instead spent 30 minutes trying to trigger a specific sex scene with Nessa because someone on a Reddit thread said it was animated differently on the second try. They were right, by the way. Worth it.

The pickup line stuff hit me harder than I expected. You actually choose dialogue in some scenes, and it feels like speed dating with cheat codes turned off. One option is polite, one is horny, one is just straight up degenerate. I tested them like a weirdo doing field research. On Telegram I even sent screenshots to a language exchange buddy asking “does this line sound like a real fuckboy?” He said yes and I felt strangely proud. Sometimes being bold pays off and Misty basically jumps your dick in the locker after a battle. Other times you try something dirty on Dawn, and she goes “wow, creepy” and the scene turns colder, you still get sex later, but the vibe is different, more rough, less cuddly. It actually teaches you something weird about tone, even if the game itself is mostly about shoving your cock into every trainer with a pulse. The monsters are just there like foreplay excuses, beat one, unlock a new way to rail someone. I wish there was an option to mute the moaning without muting sound effects, but the game doesn’t care what I want and honestly that fits. At one point I forgot the main quest completely and just walked in circles trying new lines on Cynthia to see which one made her blush the most. Felt like using OkCupid in a fantasy world where every match wants to fuck you five minutes after small talk. Dare to play it alone, or invite company?

UrbanHeat feels like someone mashed a horny summer slice-of-life with a lazy phone time-waster and then let an AI paint over it while slightly drunk. You’re this guy licking his wounds in a sleepy coastal town that pretends to be wholesome, but every time a girl leans over a counter or bends to pick something up, your brain just goes “yeah, no, this place is cursed.” The game really leans on that slow burn teasing. You’re not thrown into sex in five clicks. Instead it’s a lot of lingering shots of thighs, shirts that “accidentally” ride up, older women putting their huge tits basically on the table while they “ask” for help, neighbors who’re suddenly way too friendly with their hands. There’s this scene early on where you’re stuck on a balcony, pretending to scroll Instagram, and you can watch the woman across the yard stretching on her patio. She thinks nobody sees her, and she gets bolder, and you get dialogue choices that are basically: keep watching like a creep, try to look away, or take the risk and pull your phone up for a sneaky shot. I shouldn’t have enjoyed that as much as I did, but yeah, I did.

What actually surprised me is how much they lean into your character being kind of a perv in training instead of some smooth porn god. You’re awkward. Your hand shakes in some scenes. There’s a very specific moment where a mature neighbor “accidentally” presses your hand against her ass while you’re helping her in the kitchen, and you can either pull back or just leave your palm on that soft, huge curve and say nothing. The build-up to that touch feels better than some full-on sex scenes in other games. Later on, when she jerks you off under the table while talking about totally normal stuff, you already know that hand, that body, so it hits harder. The handjob scenes are actually weirdly detailed, too. They show small stuff, like her slowing down to stare at your face, licking her thumb before going back to stroking the tip, or using both hands around your shaft because, yeah, size difference. There’s one scene in a parked car where a younger woman leans over and starts teasing you with her lips but keeps stopping right before taking you in her mouth, blowing warm air instead. It annoyed the shit out of me but in the best way. I literally had Chrome on my phone in one hand, other hand busy, muttering “come on, just suck it already.” When she finally does, it’s sloppy and noisy and they actually let it run long enough that you feel like your character’s legs are about to lock up.

Since it is a sandbox, the pacing can go weird. Sometimes you’re doing small favors around town to “earn” scenes and it feels like you’re playing errand boy instead of pussy hunter. I got stuck for way too long trying to trigger one particular night event with a thick single mom in yoga pants, and it turned out I just had to poke at a random location icon that looked like background detail. That kind of stuff makes me grumpy, especially on mobile where your thumb misses tiny UI elements and you’re just tapping around like an idiot while some AI-generated milf is frozen in the same pose. Speaking of that, the AI art is a bit all over the place, but in an oddly charming way. Sometimes the tits are perfect heavy melons that look like they’d spill out if she breathed too hard, and sometimes a wrist is bent like a broken Barbie. Asses though, holy shit. They really nailed the big asses. Tight shorts digging into soft flesh, little panty lines, that deep curve from lower back to cheeks that makes you want to grab and bite. The voyeur side of it is where the game feels strongest to me: peeking through blinds at a shower, catching a glimpse of someone kneeling between legs, hearing muffled slurping through a thin wall. It’s not subtle, but it pretends to be. I wish the sound matched that energy more, the audio is kinda generic wet noises and basic moans, but after a few loops I stopped noticing and just focused on the visuals and the tension. And yeah, sometimes the dialogue is cringe, sometimes the AI CG throws a six-fingered hand at you for one frame, sometimes the sandbox flow gets in the way of the horny, but when you finally corner one of these big-titted, big-ass women and she drops on her knees, wipes drool off her chin with the back of her hand and keeps stroking, all that mess suddenly feels like part of the charm.

CheckedIn looks at you like that hot HR manager who says company rules are important, then spends the whole meeting eye-fucking you. You start as the new guy at this fancy hotel, still smelling like cheap deodorant and hope, and everyone acts professional for maybe five minutes before the flirting goes straight into “this is gonna ruin someone’s marriage” territory. Half the women have a ring or “taken” in their bio, and about zero of them act like that actually matters. It’s not subtle. You’re walking through the lobby and the married receptionist is licking her lips around a pen, leaning over the desk so hard her tits are basically a physics experiment, and the game just goes “yeah, this is fine, keep going.” And of course you do.

What I liked most is how work is just an excuse. On paper you’re doing shifts, dealing with customers, checking in guests. In reality you’re checking how fast you can get into your coworker’s mouth in the staff room without anyone walking in. You’ll be in a “serious” talk with your older manager, her blouse too tight, bra slightly visible, and the conversation somehow drifts from schedules to how long you can last with her on her knees. There’s teasing everywhere: a milf guest “accidentally” dropping her key card and bending over slow, a colleague comparing room service tips while staring at your crotch like it’s part of the menu. One moment you’re clicking through normal dialogue, next moment she’s under the desk, your character trying to talk about towels while she’s sucking him off, and you’re just sitting there thinking, yeah, this is exactly how hotels should work. The art has that AI smoothed look sometimes, but those huge tits in tight work clothes and fat asses under pencil skirts still hit way harder than my Instagram explore page. I kept zooming in on stupid stuff like stockings bunched around thighs, lipstick slightly smeared after a blowjob, tiny things that make it feel less like a sterile porn gallery and more like you actually messed someone up behind a locked door. And still, that tiny font on one menu drives me crazy and I keep forgetting which option I clicked, but whatever, nobody’s here for UX design.

What caught me off guard is how the “cheating” part isn’t just flavor text. The game really leans into it. You’re not just flirting with single chicks who pretend to be bad. You’re lining up late-night “meetings” with someone’s wife in a hotel corridor that looks way too quiet, kissing her while she nervously checks her phone, then pushing her against that beige wallpaper and pulling her panties aside because her husband is “out of town.” Sometimes you’re doing oral on them, sometimes they’re giving you head in a guest room that was supposed to stay empty, sometimes it turns into something that almost looks like romance and then the game reminds you she’s going home to another guy. That mix of dirty and kind of sweet is weirdly good. And yeah, there’s humor too, like a coworker cracking jokes while basically flashing you on purpose, or a scene where you’re supposed to be fixing a problem with a guest and end up buried between her thighs instead. It’s messy, horny, not pretending to be deep, full of big tits and big asses squeezed into “professional” outfits, and half the time you forget you’re doing any hotel job at all. Which, honestly, is probably the point even if no one says it.